Detroiter Ray Gray’s EXCLUSIVE, FIRST Sit-Down Interview After 48 Years Wrongfully Imprisoned
Detroit artist Ray Gray, wrongfully imprisoned for 48 years, gives his first interview after release, joined by his wife Barbara, describing the flawed eyewitness identification behind his conviction and his path to freedom.
About This Episode
In 1973, Detroit artist and award-winning boxer Ray Gray was accused of breaking into a local drug dealer’s home and fatally shooting him. Though none of the surviving occupants were able to identify the invaders, Ray became a focus of the investigation. Tunnel vision, corruption, faulty identification processes, suppressed evidence, and failure to investigate other suspects culminated in additional tragedy — refusing to admit his guilt, Ray was sentenced to life in prison without parole where he would remain for the next 48 years.
Ray’s wrongful incarceration catalyzed a decades-long quest for freedom and truth. Collaborating with The Innocence Project and legendary Detroit journalist Bill Proctor, he accepted a plea deal from the Wayne County Prosecutor’s office and was finally released from prison on May 25th, 2021, after nearly a half-century behind bars.
In this captivating installment, Ray sits down with Mike for his FIRST, exclusive interview following his release — a mere week after he obtained freedom. Ray and Mike cover the gamut of his experiences— how he found love while in prison, the role art played in helping him cope with incarceration, challenges readjusting to civilian status, his plans for the future as a free man, and more.
Show Notes
- Welcome to Open Mike!
- Karen Lee’s bio and background as CEO of Pioneer Human Services.
- Welcome to the show, Karen!
- A lot of the people we’ve interviewed, especially in wrongful convictions, have talked about how they don’t have many housing options or familial help when they’re released from prison. Tell us about what you’re doing to help them!
- Housing is probably the biggest challenge that people experience after prison. Not many studies are conducted in this sector, but all of them identify that a disproportionate amount of homeless people have criminal history.
- Editor’s note: for the purpose of the show, nonincarcerated people will be referred to as “civilians.”
- I’m impressed — 500 units seems like a lot of units to be able to offer people! Is the government, local, state, or federal, subsidizing these at all?
- HUD sends vouchers, but when Pioneer accepts those vouchers, they lose authority over who gets placement in those units.
- Pioneer Human Services believes universal housing is a fundamental, human right. Everyone deserves it, regardless of what has happened to them in their past.
- Part of incarceration, we would hope, is called reentry planning, where people are offered education, degree opportunities, trade skills, so they can support themselves upon release. When people who are wrongfully convicted are released, the prison oftentimes receives less than 24 hours’ notice. Depending on the nature of the crime, some people aren’t even offered these educational or training opportunities, because reentry isn’t deemed a legitimate possibility.
- With the thousands of people you’ve helped, I’m curious — what are some of the common stereotypes and misconceptions about people who have been incarcerated?
- These are all really great points. How do we educate people and change the beliefs and stigmas surrounding people who have been imprisoned?
- One of the ways is to change the language with which we identify people. For example, instead of saying “inmate” say “someone who has been an inmate.” By identifying their humanity first, you refrain from labeling them.
- Do people who were formerly incarcerated experience the same discrimination finding a job as they do housing?
- Do you understand where the employers are coming from in their concerns and fears of hiring people who were convicted of felonies? More specifically, do you think those fears are misplaced?
- Our country tends to take this blanket approach regardless the nature of one’s crime, they’re automatically not “worthy” to be hired.
- We see so many racial inequities about people going into prison… are you seeing the same racial inequities once people are released?
- During our last economic expansion, when unemployment was at 5%, people who had a felony conviction were at 35% unemployment, Black men were at 37% unemployment, and Black women were around 42%.
- As a society, how do you think we level the playing field and eliminate social inequities?
- Is expungement one of the solutions to this issue? Is that something you’re pushing toward?
- Are you optimistic with a new President and new Congress that we’ll see some changes made to the criminal justice system?
- Make sure you check out the Pioneer Human Services website and take their mass incarceration quiz to see what you know and educate yourself on this important issue. Connect with Karen Lee on LinkedIn and follow Pioneer on Facebook and Twitter as well!
- It was such a pleasure to chat with and learn from you, Karen. Thanks for coming on the show!]
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FAQs
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What evidence was Ray Gray convicted on?
Ray says the one eyewitness looked at his photograph and couldn’t pick him out. He says the person who committed the crime had a big mustache, which played a prominent part in the identification, and that at the in-person lineup he was the only one with a mustache. He also says none of the items police collected tied him to the crime.
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How was Ray Gray released from prison?
As Mike Morse summarized and Bill Proctor confirmed, Ray’s first-degree murder conviction was vacated and he pleaded no contest to second-degree murder, which the court and prosecutor accepted, with a sentence of time served. Ray says he wasn’t initially open to a deal, but his lawyers pointed out that winning could take two or three years because of appeals, compared with getting out in two or three weeks. He was released on May 25, 2021.
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How did Ray Gray and his wife Barbara meet?
Mike Morse noted Barbara met Ray in 1978, when he had already been in prison over five years. Barbara says she ran art workshops at Jackson and a number of other prisons, bringing artists in to meet prisoners and exhibiting prisoner art. A prison administrator told her Ray was the best in the system, so she wrote him a letter, he responded, and she met him for the first time in the visiting room.
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Who is Charlie Matthews and what role did he play in Ray Gray's case?
Former TV journalist Bill Proctor says Charlie Matthews was the man who actually did the crime, and that he talked to and chased down Matthews on a number of occasions. Mike Morse noted that in 1980 Matthews signed an affidavit admitting to being at the scene and being part of it, but pleaded the Fifth before a judge; Proctor says Matthews essentially told the court he knew what happened but wasn’t talking further.
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How did art help Ray Gray cope in prison?
Ray says art has helped sustain him through the whole struggle. He was drawing a female friend the day the crime happened, and when Mike asked whether he created art throughout his 48 years in prison, he said yes.
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